Bird Strategic Operations
University of Virginia Bachelor of Science (B.S.), Commerce, Finance and Management
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How did you get to where you are today? What is your story? What incidents and experiences shaped your career path?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
So I went to from the East Coast. I from the D C area. I went to University of Virginia. Um, I went through their undergraduate business school, which is a great program, and, uh, I kind of thought I was be a banker. They have a pretty strong pipeline into the world of banking and consulting, which are, you know, very good jobs coming into college. So I spent a summer in New York at Citi Group doing investment banking. Very good. You know, summer internship on gotten offer, But I was interested in trying something new, Um, and kind of working on building something rather than, uh, you know, doing analysis or are kind of being a banking analyst. And so I got a chance to join Snapchat pretty early on in 2015. So a pack my bags and moved west on Got the full start of experience. Um, so that snap I worked on a few things and we can adapt into those if you want, but a mostly worked on this story's products. If you think about stories, you probably use them. One instagram now, because they kind of copied it. Did it better but uh, worked on the product, Worked on building out different teachers and understanding the data and what was working and what wasn't. But ultimately, I wanted to learn a little bit more about how to operate a business from the top spot. Thank you. Yeah, I, uh I left Snapshot and joined a small consulting firm in New York. Um was there for about a year. We're just doing kind of stereotypical management consulting projects. So a lot of operational improvements and, uh, well, you know, advising ord changes, some mergers and acquisition work. Um, so pretty interesting. Got to see a lot of things around the country. Really good experience. But one day I got a call from a mutual friend who said she was helping launch Novo's Doc. Let's bike share in in the U. S. So that was my introduction to micro mobility, which was really it's really fascinating. I thought there was a real problem to solve here as cities a really crowded, uh, you know, cars are horrible for the environment. So I thought was really interesting space to kind of move into, and I thought I could always maybe go back to consulting if I wanted to so kind of took a took a risk, took a chance here. Joined OPO. Eventually, scooters came along and like blue bikes out of the water. And that made me want to join Burger, just like a first mover in the space. Um, so I took that chance to kind of move back to Los Angeles, where now on And I've been working at Bird doing strategy for the last two years. Um, trying to make scooters ah, viable business. And, you know, tryto often end to the world's the world's biggest cities so we can get cars off the road. So that's kind of where I am today. I'm at Burton. Your limits. Angelus, I think. What incidents and experience of shape? My path. Yeah, I was thinking about these questions a little. I would say there's probably to sort of things with this. One was, I think along my group at which is, you know, I bounced around quite a lot. Since college, I have tended to follow what I find interesting. Um, so if I'm ever bored in a position or not learning enough, I would say Don't be afraid to go. Whether it's within a firm or somewhere else. Find a new opportunity where you are gonna be interested or learning something, especially when you're younger. You kind of have the luxury there to play around or trying to think so that would be one sort of thing that has shaped my path. Another is, um e think it's rational and smart if you're interested in getting a specific skill to that sort of play into your career path as well. So like when I left Snapchat, I really wanted to work on, um, to get, get a view of, like, operating full business and work on different business problems that executives might face. And so I thought consulting was a really quick way to do that on. I did get a good experience during that year, but I did that, Um, and I took that with me. Now Carrie Kahn the start up world run back again. So So, yeah, I think I paused there for question one

What responsibilities and decisions does one handle in a job like yours? Tell us about weekly work hours, including the time spent on work travel and working from home.

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
So I'm I'm on this. Ah, the central strategic team at Bird. It's global, which is pretty cool. Um, probably over half our businesses in Europe. So I do work a lot with our team in Europe, which is pretty interesting. Um, in terms of responsibilities and decisions, I think our team tackles many different projects. I personally work on to sort of key items. The first is a kind of a weekly meeting with R C suite or executives, um, on decisions that need to get made with our vehicles. So an example of that would be like like if our engineers come over and they're like, Hey, we built this new gadget. You want to put it on all of the scooters in the world because it helps us track them better or something like that. It's gonna cost $2 million to make this. Should we do it like, do we have the budget? So I work with them and our finance team and a couple other stakeholders to understand, like a Is this a good investment idea? What does this get us? Is this part of our long term strategy And then, uh, I kind of hostess meeting with our executives, and we we look over the frameworks, We look over the trade offs and they say, Hey, yes or no, Try to get things done and it's meeting. Make moves, push the business forward. That's a big one. Um, another is kind of long term scooter planning. So, uh, like, right now I'm working. How Maney scooters. We want to buy for 2021 which is a really interesting project considered Cove It It's like having a down summer. We even had to lay off people earlier than the year. Like a lot of tech, he's dead. Um, so we're trying to sort of gather all this data and understand what we think 2021 might look like, um, and then by the right scooters so that we have the best chance toe win and be really competitive next year. So there were, like, two examples of responsibilities and decisions. Otherwise, it's like projects will come across a lot of data analysis and like the mixture of crunching numbers and then kind of making them simple or buried sex to kind of think through and understand, which I think is really important men in terms of weekly work. Of course, I when I started, I think there's a little more of a learning curve, which happens probably at most jobs you started, so he's probably putting in more like 60 to 65 hours a week. Now. I would say I'm closer like 45 55. Um, so it's a pretty reasonable It's not 9 to 5, but it's not consulting your banking hours on. And then in terms of travel, I travel maybe once or twice a year. Pretty rare motive are a lot of our stuff gets done in L. A. At our headquarters, Um, and then obviously with, uh, with the covert impact we are. Our company is remote for all of 2020 so we kind of took that position, which is really nice. I think it's been really awesome, and I have been drug working from home. We have some version of that in the future. Maybe it's a few days a week or something like that. I think a lot of companies air thinking, got through, but that's a current status

What tools (software programs, frameworks, models, algorithms, languages) are typically used in a role like yours?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
for me. I still think number one tools Air, Microsoft, Excel and Google sheets like you can do probably 95% of work, I think in life on these two. Like if you just get good of them, you can keep things simple and use those. And I still use those the most and most people dio. Um, I think on top of that, a lot of that. It depends what kind of role you're in if you're in it during, like a dignity analyst role or data infrastructure calling. You didn't know your stuff more. You're obviously in software engineering, like, you know, coding but removed from, or the business side or strategy side the other one years. It's good to know a little bit cool. Um, and I never reckoned. Sounds scary, but it is pretty easy to pick out. You put in, you know, a couple courses on coursera or YouTube. It's not too bad. Picked up a lot of it. It's kind of like Bush, and then the other ones used tableau a lot. Pablo's a data visualisation tool. It also just is kind of a database that organizes our data, keeps things very simple So we use that for quick searches and looking up, you know, how many rides did we get last week? That's like where you go to, um, And then beyond that, there's a few people in, like, finance and on my team, you know, uh, you know, like, Python and are, But I would definitely say those air bonuses, those could maybe help you that maybe help you stand out or if you're in, like, a data heavy role, they could be useful. But I would not say they're necessary. Uh, models, algorithms? Yeah, tools. I mean, I think that answers the question. Otherwise, frameworks. Those are more like business. See, we do a lot of cost benefit analysis. You know, our ally IR are, um, sometimes, like DCF, which is a finance one, like, just kind of cash flow analysis, um, pros and cons. ITT's that always varies based on the analysis is just trying to find that right bet or getting, you know, getting to an answer that helps the business

What are the challenges in a job like yours? What approaches are effective in dealing with these challenges? Discussing examples will help students learn better.

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
Let's see. Yeah, surely I think some of the bigger challenges in sort of the start up world or the tech world. They think if it's an earlier stage company or even mid stage data can be challenging. Sometimes you either have a lack of data because you're young or your systems and data collection processes aren't but sure or, uh or very strong at. And so when you're making decisions or trying to understand how things were performing, sometimes that is a huge challenge. So how I would deal with this? Um, I would number 12 struck from the best data available. Uh, and then, like people understand they that could be an issue. Weak data. Um, I would when you're when you're putting stuff together, putting analysis together, I would just think like citing your sources is really important. So if you go out and you find four pieces of data and one is from this database and one is from an engineer and then one is just, you know, word of mouth from a general manager, like just like citing all of those is really important because later it will come back and you'll forget where you got them or people like, Hey, where did you learn that? This information you're like, Oh, I just heard about it. It's just better to kind of very cleanly layout everything you're getting. Um that's been helpful for me. At least. I think this is Ben's. What? Earlier in another one, I think, is, um, challenges is like the speed with which you move. So I think this is part of the fun of working at a tech company or start up. Um, there is, uh, there's definitely pressure to move fast, and it is good to move fast. You have to prove your worth and your growth a za company. But sometimes you you can get kind of lost in the chaos. You can come when you can also kind of like lose sight of the bigger picture. So I think sometimes it's really important to, uh, number one like spend time for critical thinking and like understanding what the long term goal is. If you're making a decision and then number two, I think it's going to get a lot of things on paper. So you have, like, slack una your zoom calls. You have emails all sorts of things flying around and different projects happening. Um, if you're coming up with something, I think it's really helpful to get it on a slide or a dock. Whatever your company uses more, um, and then have people talk about it and put comments in. And then you have an archive. You have an actual home base for your thoughts and like your proposals eso I think documentation is really helpful when it comes to that.

What are the job titles of people who someone in your role routinely works with, within and outside of the organization? What approaches are effective in working with them?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
so I think. I mean, my team is like the strategy team, so we have, you know, rolls from the associate level up to V P, I guess, like a vice president. So we all worked really closely. I think that's the case for most of the teams at at Bird and probably many tech start ups. So even in finance police, similar sort of ladder or information, Same with data that, um So I think those were kind of the titles you'd see. Um, I'm fortunate enough to be on some projects, right? It gets work with the C suite. So sometimes I get to work that the CEO CFO CIO, which is really fascinating on and fun on the outside of the organization. It totally varies. Based on the project, I've had phone calls it like vendors in China. You are like the managers of their Tara like a production line. Prosecutors, I've had calls with, like, government people in Europe who are like city leaders. Eso it really varies. Probably will vary by the company or out in the role you're in, um, effective approaches and working with them, I think. Yeah, I think a big one on this is I'd say there's two sort of tips I get here. One, um when you're gonna speak with them or you have a meeting, especially in the meeting, because we have too many of them. Uh, lay out your goals for the meeting way out in the front like this is what we wanna do this meeting. So let's do it. And like a lot of meetings, air stretched on time and like, you just get lost on other conversations to strike. Here's the three things you want to do it. People really appreciate that no matter what level they're at, Um And then secondly, I would think, uh, I would kind of put yourself in their shoes before you speak with them or when you're thinking about talking to them about something. So, uh, your, uh, you know, CEO of our company? You probably care about different things than if I'm going into a meeting with another associate there, like manager my out put my slides or mind documents should probably be different based on that audience. So I just think about your audience and think about what they care about. Um, when I'm going in to talk to a vendor in China like they probably care about X y Z. That might be different than I care about. But like if I hit on those things and think about what they're thinking about it, it will make the the conversation must move there, and they'll also have ah, really great understand where you're coming from and like appreciation for your business skills.

What things do you like about your job? Were there any pleasant surprises?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
It's in a very interesting space right now where we're kind of a late stage start up. So we kind of get the benefits of Startup World, which are, you know, entrepreneurship, encouraging new ideas and creativity. We haven't figured out how the business will run long term yet, so there's a ton of opportunity to contribute, which is great. Um, there's also not much bureaucracy. So if you have a good idea or you want to get something done, it can get done quickly, whereas sometimes a big bank, or like a government based job, often are like really slow in terms of getting decisions through. So that's, Ah taking advantage. Um, and then I think otherwise. It's casual and fun, like we worked on scooters. A lot of tech companies have fun with what they dio, I think, which is. It makes you know, waking up and going to work or like going to your living room to work more fun every day. In terms of pleasant surprises. I think this varies by company, but one thing that I found interesting was when I joined Bird. I was like, Oh, cool, it's a sexy startup or like you know there's a lot to learn here, but when I got inside most of the employees, I would say probably 3/4 of our like, truly passionate about Theo environment and getting cars off the road and finding new ways to for transportation, for people to get around cities. So there's an element of passion that I didn't realize would be there for a lot of employees. So I think that's pretty cool. Um, and I think some companies definitely have that, so

What qualities does your team look for while hiring? What kind of questions does your team typically ask from candidates?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
well, hiring. Um, so I mean, we as a strategy team, we like to see some experience like, ideally at the lowest level, like 1 to 2 years of work in some sort of strategic role. Oftentimes this is in banking or consulting. And I hate saying that cause it seems like it's, um, exclusive. And if you do other things, it seems like we don't want you. That's not true. But it's good to see some role where you had to really use your brain and come up with ideas that help the business. Maybe you are an entrepreneur after college or, uh, you know, a girl on my team worked at Home Depot, and she worked on there like Small Strategy Team, which I didn't know existed. And they are jobless. Lake come up with the best, lay up all the stores and, like, figure out how to train all new employees. It's like that's, like, really helpful when you think about bird. So I think that's a big one. Uh, and then, you know, once you kind of have that box checked and we like you an interview. You, um I think structure thinking is really big so often times we have to deal with ambiguous questions or ambiguous situations. So a lot of our questions, or like harder questions in the interviewing process are about, you know, for example, we would ask, you know, we're about to go into winter or like, it's August right now, Uh, winter for us is in 34 months. Probably. How would you go about coming up with a strategy for winter for our scooters for bird? But what were the some things you think about? What some data you'd be interested in looking at? It's like that's a very open question. You could tackle it a 1,000,000 ways, and there's, you know, probably a handful of reasonable ways to tackle it. But none of them are, like super correct. And so it's just more like, Can you take that? Can you, you know, think about it and then come up with some simple and clear thought process That is logical, and I think that helps in any job you're you're interviewing for and any role, so hopefully that's helpful

What helped you to stand out in your hiring process? How should someone prepare for an interview for a job like yours?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
I'm a big believer in this. I've already known someone at the company, and so if you can develop connections or, um, talk to people at the company, which is a good idea anyway, because you'll learn more about what getting into, um, they can vouch for you. And it goes a long way in the interview process. So that would be like, honestly, my number one tip for standing out. There's a bunch of people problem. It's smarter, sort of than me in the world or other candidates are equally smart. Um, but I probably knew someone or I, you know in the interview. The other thing is, I think in the interview I do a lot of homework before interviewing. So coming up with really good questions for the interviewer, not just what's the culture? I think that's like a pretty weak question. Frankly, um, I would try to think about the problems the company or that interviewer might be going through and say, Hey, how have you thought about tackling this or, you know, I know winter is coming up. Have you guys considered, you know, storing all the birds in a warehouse or whatever you come up with those type of next level questions really will. Can can separate you. Interviewers will talk about it after, So I think knowing someone and then doing homework I'm not good questions.

Can you discuss career accomplishment(s) that you feel good about? Please discuss the problem context, your solution, and the impact you made.

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
Snapchat has. We haven't talked about that in the little ends. A fun one that I think most people now. Um so for Snapchat, I worked like I said on our stories Product. So assuming you guys know what stories are like this, you know, the little things you watch. What? What we were struggling with early on was tapping into, uh, campuses. And so we had a lot of young people on the app, which is great, but we wanted to kind of build a world for campuses. And so, um, what I helped like formulate, I guess now is the problem. Um, solution wise. But I helped formulate Waas. We came up with, like, campus stories. So you dropped like a geo fence hot spot over campuses for big events or for a certain time, periods where there is, like, all semester or summer time. Whatever. Um and we will give them their own world to interact in and from there. That was probably the big first jump because a lot of students were interested in seeing what's going on. My camp, sir, Who's on here? The cute girl in math class on here, Like, did the football team. Where? Where can I who has, like, homework answers all sorts of stuff like that, um, was available on Snapchat. Then in this story, which is cool from there, I think the second part that was like, how do you continue to increase engagement? Um, what we looked at was a few things like event days, that we've put my filters around events, Um, which is really cool. And then second, we do like challengers or stories that were planted almost select one time we did like a bachelor where we get someone on campus to be bachelor, and it might go around on dates and stuff. Another one was like interviews. So we get, like, exclusive interviews with, uh, the best athletes. So there was just kind of, like, a lot of things and in ways we could test, which was cool. Uh, that helped us improve our campus engagement. Um, hopefully, that good line. That was kind of long thing

What is a future career path for professionals in your role? How long does it typically take to advance through various roles? How easy are such promotions to come by?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
sort of the start up world. It's probably more defined if you're in a more stable or mature business. Um, for me, I think it could be anything. I think my skills and working startups is valued. Um, so, you know, I think I could go back to a consulting or banking if you want. I don't think I'm gonna be there for him. I think, uh, you know, we're seeing more and more tech companies pop up and start ups are becoming a bigger thinking, uh, in more venture capital, sort of pouring in. So I think one round would be like, stay with start ups, Um, which is really fun. So within their I could work, work my way up, you know, all the way up to, like, a C suite one day. Um, that's certainly a fun path. Um, another one that I am looking at that I think would blend my skills would be venture capital. So that would be kind of taking the finance and consulting, uh, skill set and blending it with this, like, operator experience from start up. So that's where you kind of blend the investing side with sort of the growth and an actual operational side. So that seems really interesting to me. And then otherwise, I mean, you can be just kind of credit for wherever you could build. Trust the Google, where Facebook or Netflix or one of the big guys. Just probably a little more chill. But, you know, a really good job. Obviously those air, like some of the best company in the world. So you can do a lot in terms of advancing. Um, yeah. I mean, I think it's, you know, to try to move up every year or two. I think would be like a general general thumb. Another thing you can do with start ups, though, is they move quickly. So if you really perform well, you can push for faster promotions and you can have an opportunity quicker. Um, the other thing is you could jump companies if they're starting like, hey, we really want you. And you're like, All right, well, give me a title bump. You could try toe. You know, the nagel that, um So I think that answers that how easier promotions. I don't know it. It's totally varies. I'd say work hard and do well and then stand up for yourself and you can get things done

What responsibilities and decisions did you handle at work? What were the challenges? What strategies were effective in dealing with these challenges?

Based on experience at: Stories, Snapchat, Inc.
Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
this was a little harder to answer because it was so early. So I did it like a bottom random things. Um, I think a few areas, though, were, um number one. We looked a lot at the data stories. So stuff like this would be like, How long did users tap in for How many views did this story get? How many interactions on the story, like clicks and links to were selected. Um, so that was kind of an interesting set. And the reason this is important. We worked a lot with branded partners like ESPN Cosmopolitan, uh, news channels, things like that. So that was one responsibility. We worked a lot on what sort of products. So, like, that goes back to the campus story versus, like, the local story versus national stories, which is like the Super Bowl or the Grammys. So kind of defining where snap wants to play and where this story's product should exist was pretty interesting. Um, in terms of challenges, I think a big one was, uh, like privacy and, like, filtering explicit content. So, like you remember, snapshot started is like the nude pics company years, like people all day which isn't good and, like, obviously, it's matured a lot. But early on, we had to deal with a lot of people using the app and correctly. So we had to build a lot of systems and processes protecting that and making it a safe place to have flying. Um, And I think early on, you know, we're still writing a lot of the code and algorithms that did that. So you relied on a lot of people to, like, manually filter that serves human error there, and it's also costly. And so I think just scaling scaling that was hard privacy side. Um, and the strategies are effective. Yeah, I think just like being honest with that. So, you know, it's not going to talk about the privacy issues and stuff like that. But, um, you know, I think tackling it head on like snow is done. Uh, would be, you know, lay out your biggest issues and find based to beat them

How did the school prepare you for your career? Think about faculty, resources, alumni, exposure & networking. What were the best parts?

Based on experience at: Bachelor of Science (B.S.), Commerce, Finance and Management, University of Virginia
Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
was it, which I was very fortunate. Todo is like one of the top one. So I think the curriculum is excellent, Are the way was structured as we have sort of these blocks. So you're in a block, but think 30 people or so you'd be with them or all right, the Holy year. Essentially. And you'd be doing everything from, uh, behavioral and organization courses to communications, finance to marketing. I think there's a key ones, and then you had electives. But I thought the curriculum was really strong. Touched on sort of. Ah, all the main pieces of business, I guess general areas eso developed kind of well rounded business people. Um, so I think that's great, uh, and also the way we thought about our work. And we love the ways we did our work or either, Like, Harvard Business School case studies. So a lot of case studies around. Hey, this happened. This is how Google did it. Or this is how four did it. But what of the learnings here? How do you use this? And then second, like we take real world real world sort of projects and have to deliver them so like we partnered with a lot of companies times like, uh, no. We partnered with the MLB and re partnered with a BB, which is like an energy company on Rolls Royce. And so we had to do, like, real work, essentially, which was kind of a helpful a test run for the real world. Um, in terms of networking, I thought universe originated this really well, they what they did great was they had, like, a pipeline set up. So their job board and relationships with, uh, employers is really strong. So you made it very easy to kind of fill out an application like pump it through all of these banks or consulting firms or other opportunities, cool businesses. And then it would kind of just like alert you if you've got an interview, and then you, like, walk down to the school or to the football field like there's your interview. I'm so just the whole like, process and systems. We're really, really great. And, like, I was really fortunate to have that I think those were probably the best parts. They also just had wonderful professors. And, um, it's like advisers. And so I think if you're a student. Leveraging those is really great. Um, And if you're you know, you're not able to If you're not at a university or you're not, uh, no able to see them in person, like right now, use LinkedIn like, reach out. Try to have a phone call. Was a video chat like this. People are more willing to help than you might think. So that's my advice.

What three life lessons have you learned over your career? Please discuss the stories behind these lessons, if possible. Stories could be yours or observed.

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
I wrote down a few ideas here. Um, number one e think investing time and effort into people is really important. Like I mentioned, one of the object gotten have been because I know someone because I knew a friend who knew someone. Um and I think a lot of the future jobs I will get well because of that. And so I think, like, really talk. However, it's, say, one big lifeless in his light, you know, pick up the phone and I have good conversations of friends and, like, you know, especially do it the friends and just family and people you care about. But like, you know, if there's something you're interested in, like reach out the linked in our authentic old email or call someone who knows someone else and say, Hey, I want to learn more about no biotechnology because I think it's really cool, and I might want to work in there one day, like in a company. One day there started claiming seeds because, like eventually they will grow and it will always come back to help you, and it just makes for more interesting life and career to if you know, people doing different things. So they invest in people Will be number one. Um, number two, I think, uh, voice your ideas so especially early in your career, to be scary. Feel like you're no not allowed, Teoh. You know, say how you feel or whatever. Oh, I would say Try to break through that and like, try to contribute and like, voice your ideas even if you're wrong, it doesn't matter because you're young. Um, but if you have good ideas like get him on paper and share them or in a meeting, if you say, hey, this is kind of a wild card idea, but this is what I think should try. That is, uh, that's how you get recognized. And also you, like, develop accomplishments. Really? So I would encourage you to use your voice and, like, take chances with your ideas, because that will be how you do get the next drop, the next promotion, or really help business. So that would be a good one. Um, any time I've done that, I've definitely been wrong sometimes and like it doesn't feel good, but it doesn't matter. It's been way worth it. When you come up with something cool and people like, Whoa, that was really smart. So I could you do that? And then the last one, I think, is, uh I think it's important to dedicate time to I'm thinking and taking a step back and, like, planning and like, really trying to understand what you want and what makes you happy and how you're gonna get there. Um, it can be easy to just kind of like, wake up and I could do whatever you're gonna do each day. I'm gonna work, knock it out. Oh, and just think about like, one minute promotion are like, How do I get to the next job or how do I ace this interview? And I think it's really important to, I think, Lee, why do you Why do you want this job? Were you know why is it in important ways his meeting important or what is the company trying to do in five years instead of, like, just get it done tomorrow? Um, when I think for a lot of that, it's like, uh, planning the scenes and like thinking about where you want to be, we'll help you get there s o in five years. Or like I wanna I want, um, work in California. Well, maybe, you know, maybe in this next month, try to call a one or two people who work out there and see how they like it or, ah, really think, like, why would it be make you happier to be in California or Florida or whatever, I don't know, just kind of think through what? What you're actually going towards and why. And like, really think if that is what you want and how to get there, get the born that give time to that rather than just kind of run through the motions every day.

What starting job and internships would you recommend to students who hope to grow professionally like you? What other parting advice, dos, and don'ts would you give?

Summarized By: Jeff Musk on Fri Jul 24 2020
good toe. Get some experience in anything. Uh, I know that's kind of a cop out answer. But, um, obviously, if you know what you want to do, if you want to go be a doctor, like trying to find something in medicine, volunteer at vet or a shelter Or your parents, friends, doctor, office or or whatever. If you don't have any of those and like, start a blogger online about what you think will change in the field of medicine in the next 10 years and just show show your interest, I think is what I'm trying to say if you want to be a banker and, like, you know, be the next wolf of Wall Street. But you didn't get any internships like, I don't know, maybe take $100 trade on Robin Hood for free. And, like, write about your your experience. I think showing an interest is really he. If you can land a sweet internship, do it like if you can go work it. You know Goldman Sachs and you wanna be a banker? Go do it. Of course, that's a great in, um and if you can't do it, I guess My point is, if you don't get that internship or job, that's obviously gonna help you get real one, Um, show your interest, like whether whether it's something free or writing about it or just networking, it's really, um, any of those can go a long way and will help you, and you have until you down the line or something is kind of seeing if you're a good bit. So I think that's my best vice for for that.