It's a good question I've had. I've had a meandering career. I would say on sometimes I I look back. I don't know exactly how I got to where I am, Uh, except to say I reflect kind of on the different career steps I have taken, Ah, and the different jobs and roles that I've had. One thing that sticks out to me is the importance of mentors and high personal net right professional network. So, you know, I that always was a ah Western I it beginning of my career. Maybe I didn't know how powerful or how meaningful that that network was going to be, but pretty much everything I've done of meaning in my career. In some way, I mentor. My network was involved with helping me to make that happen, which is a real gift

sure. Uh, I've in an interesting role. It's a very small company. Eat. It needs just a few people, kind of a startup in the classic sense. And so in my role is the chief operating officer. I do a little bit of everything. I think that's what it's zero, you know, they were often seeing a little bit more as generalists. Uh ah. And I saw in a given day I might work on product design. I might dio some, uh, customer interviews, customer service Responding to enquiries from our users. I do a lot of sales and business development, a swell as just a lot of other extra things that need to be done in the course of the day. So, you know, the given day might just be a couple of hours of work or 15 hours of work. It's it's unpredictable

sure there are many. You know, it is particularly starting a small company, uh, almost Onley challenges that he tale with challenges with product with with finances. Ah, and that the difficulty with that is there's never a clear answer in a lot of cases. We're trying things that haven't been done before. We're trying to do them in a different way. And so there isn't really a clear answer on how to go about doing that. Um, and I think you know what? One of the things that I ah story I would tell that I think, illustrates that when we first started our company, we we thought that we were a consumer based product that, uh would help people eat together in groups kind of plan their meals. And we It wasn't until we started to build the product that we realized that wasn't maybe the the case. So we we had to go back and do some customer interviews, and we learned that we were kind of were perhaps taking the wrong approach. And this is actually a mentor who suggested that the value and implored on me the importance of talking to, uh, customers and stakeholders early in the process rather than kind of after you've got something to show them. That was the lesson I learned that was a hard one. It was months of work on, ultimately something we've been able to use, but it's a lesson that it's definitely worth keeping.